I'd like that. The two points that should make an assault stand out from a scout is their regen and hp. more health/regen fits in with the assault role nicely, they can hit a position well and keep the momentum of the assault. Maybe another equipment slot to also emphasize versatility but keep the pg/cpu similar, buff it a little so they can actually put something there but not so much that they start encroaching on logistics territory. Good tank, good weapons, decent equipment, good mobility and excellent regen.

scouts get the advantage of speed and ewar and shouldn't be so close to the assault suit and its roles. Instead they should supplement each other.

fair enough, was just an optional idea that I was throwing out there for discussion. Maybe it could be balanced out, and maybe it would encroach on logi territory too much, just thought I would add it. Definitely need to have more hp/regen, any other ideas for improving upon the assault suits versatility? Or do you feel its already pretty versatile?

I've been running assaults since... well forever and personally I would say a slight buff to CPU/PG, regen and maybe a slightly increased ammo capacity and they would be in a good place.

:-l <-- yep


could just be I'm used to perpetually running borked suits tho lol and maybe using the terms "good place" rather loosely, perhaps "slightly less **** place" would've been more appropriate.

I could agree to more HP but high regen makes more sense on a scout because of the lone wolf thing...what assaults should get is some sort of offensive bonus like higher RoF or a second LW Slot (like its suposeto be in Legion) or a second grenade slot...

And of course PG/CPU need to be in line with the other suits.

BTW the speed difference is not very big compared to HP advantage between scout and Assaults...

We must not have more passive HP, (We = assault)
We must have more regen (armor or shield (each race)), more stamina, more stamina regen, + 1 module on each suit, better race assault bonus (for caldari and gallente; the Amarr's and the Minmatar's are good). More DPS. That's all.

More HP isn't a solution, we could NOT be better than scout if we get more HP... They will stay speeder, with more regen........and the cloack....

We need something that make our a UNIQUE role !

I think the idea to get 1% (a level) damage on EACH light/sidearm weapon (for each race) could be good for assault. That's my opinion.

What's your's ?

Personaly I think this all circles back to the brick tanking problem, tank with relatively little penalty, no one complained about my shield tanked Minja. (unless they got stabbed/MDerd/REed)

That and the cloaks ability to fire immediately after decloak made us more of a 'light assault' class.

Another problem: What's a 'scout' in dust 514, a 'logi', a 'heavy', ask 100 players and you'll likely get 100 answers.

There's no base for our classes, CCP seemed scared to put down restrictions for the classes, leading to heavies with rifles, fast tanks, tanked scouts, slayer logies ect ect ect.

I've seen pleanty of these things in this thread alone: Assault should be faster, have more stamina, and better regen than scouts.

What?

If I remember correctly you've used scouts so you should know that alot of the bonuses you've listed need to be coupled with mods, such as scanning range amps and kincats, or those bonuses are minimal at best. (or downright useless)

And I'm not going to even start with how bloody difficult it is to fit a proper suit with a proto cloak on any scout. (especially my Minja)

I'm not saying the scouts don't need to be knocked down a peg, I'm certainly not saying that the assault dosen't need help, but what I AM saying is that what you're trying to do is a short sighted solution.

To others in this thread:

Just try to fix the core of the problem before you go screwing over peoples' play styles, CCP does enough of that for you.

~1k HP max for Amarr Scout (slightly less for Gal), 1261 I think for Amarr Assault (almost 900 armor; once again, Gal not far behind but only in theory, as it lacks the PG to pull off 100% proto HP mods afaik, has to drop one Cx Shield to not exceed PG with a Boundless CR).

The problem isn't *Assault* hp. Any buff will put the armor tankers in particular well into Adv heavy territory, which would lead to pretty much the same problem we have with Scouts vs Assaults now, just Assaults vs Commandos/Heavies (HMG aside). The solution has to be to penalize major HP stacking on light frames, making it massively disadvantageous to run multiple regular plates and extenders, if not impossible. Scouts ~200-450, Assaults and Logis ~400-1200 (big swing, but this is including all tiers and mediums *should* be far and away the most varied group, and most will be somewhere in the middle, which doesn't happen with scouts at the moment, due to lack of good reason to avoid brick tanking), Commandos ~700-1300, Heavies ~1000 to INFINITY AND BEYYOOOOOONNDDD... sorry, got carried away.

1m/s is nothing, since meters=feet in this game. (That and the scout has hollow bones for this very reason)
It doesn't matter if 1m = 1 foot in the game, it's still a unit of distance, and the weapon ranges are bound by those units.

The CPU/PG I can agree on, but is somewhat necessary for two equipment slots. (That yes we do use for things like REs) and the cloak's massive output.

Evading scanners comes with being a stealth unit, it's like complaining about the commando's damage bonuses.

Also:Who uses ADV scanners?

Also Also: Gallogi bonus is made for countering scouts, try to get under a Gallogi scanner, I dare you.

30 meters without mods? I wish, no scout does that not even the ganja anymore.

Caldari are shield tankers, always have been, all of their suits have higher regen/ lower shield regen times, go check if you havent.

Small frame= small hitbox, it used to be larger as you ran, everyone called bullshit, because that's bullshit.


If you know much about the lore you know why our stamina/regen is so high= two hearts.

Cat you're not stupid, and you know I'm not (completely) stupid, so can we agree not to try and bullshit each other in the future?

Assaults naturally have a damage bonus.. Indirectly but everyone has a DPS bonus in which they can put down more then a scout easier..

They also get an extra slot and more HP.

The problem is they can't use that extra HP and slot because their fitting demands are so harsh. The Bonuses for fitting their specific weapons where supposed to help with this...

But as everyone said to CCP before 1.8 Implementation...it wasn't enough as the suits where already fitting challenged to start with.

Assault suits are fine except they need alot more Base PG and CPU starting right from the Basic -> ADV -> Proto levels.

Hmm, I think we both know we're not going to reach an agreement here, our opinions on the matter are different and that's fine.

For what we agree on wholeheartedly= Scouts have too much HP, Assaults aren't good enough at assaulting.

Scouts=Ewar/Biotics

Assaults=Shooting things

The Assaults' CPU/PG reduction skills reflect it's role.

The Scouts' Ewar skills and high Biotics reflect it's role.

Assaults do in fact need better racial skills and slot layout.

Scouts shouldn't be able to tank and be fast.

We agree on these things yes?

CCP is already looking at passive scanning, also once again racial bonuses for ganja, what we DON'T want is for the scout to revert back to days past.

Things like the scouts' regen are there for a reson: to get back what tank they have due to (supposedly) using their slots foe things like code breakers and dampening.

Things like scouts' stamina and speed are there for a similar reason= to play on the suit's strengths and cover weaknesses.

Mess with these and all you're doing is punishing those who scout to scout, brick tankers will still brick tank.

I'm not sure if you do PC, but I'll tell you now going in as a true scout is no fun.....

So yes ditch the brick tanking, but mess with the scouts' core gameplay and you'll put them back in a hole.

I know that you're not trying to nerf anything but (this is gonna sound really bad) when people like you, mustard, and myself make threads like this others take note, and most of the time go off making threads of their own with less than nobel intentions.

And we both know there are far too many factors to be stating numbers like that.

And a slight speed buff too*

It seems like you got this idea from somewhere...